The AMAZING Origins of Astrology with Anand from Pale Blue Thoughts
Abhijit: Everybody. Welcome back to Rationable Conversations. Today, we have a very special guest, Anand from Pale Blue Thoughts.
I've been wanting to have this interview for a very long time. Anan, welcome to the show, man.
Anand: Thank you Happy to be here.
Abhijit: The stars have aligned.
Anand: Finally. We've been trying to
Abhijit: The tarot cards have been laid out.
Anand: All Jupiter is in Uranus.
Abhijit: Oh, that hurts.
Anand: Oh, I know it would,
Abhijit: You know, I actually got my tarot card read when I went toShillong. There was a tarot reader sitting in the lobby, and I just went down there and my parents were having breakfast, and I finished a little early, so I thought, let's see what they've got to offer.
And surely enough, it wasn't much. In fact I told her everything and then she told me very vague general stuff.
Anand: That's how astrology works. You tell them everything, you make it correct.
Abhijit: I saw an ad for an astrologer.
I did a recording of that. I don't know where that recording has disappeared to, And had a nice conversation. But the thing is, you always get very general answers. Now the thing is, I've heard about hot readings and readings let me just get this straight.
What are hot? Hot readings are when, wait, no. Cold readings is when the person doesn't know you and starts guessing stuff, right?
Anand: Is your name start with A or B? Or C or DI hear something. I think you have something like a moon or a sun in your name.
Abhijit: Oh, Chand. someone's son.
Anand: Yeah,
Abhijit: I really expected more coming from a tarot reader to be able to do more of a cold reading. I was sitting there hoping that she'd floor me and I'd be like, wow, that's amazing. This was around the time I was in the process of getting divorced.
So I said I'm married. How do you think my marriage is gonna go? And she said, it'll be difficult. There'll be ups and downs, but
Anand: you'll
Abhijit: you'll get through it. I certainly hope so. I did get through it. I lost a lot of cash, as did my family, but we did get through it one way or the other.
There were lots of ups and downs and she got that part right, yes, it's going to be fine. Yes, you're gonna be happy. There'll be some trials and tribulations, but you'll get through it.
It was like, man, these guys really aren't trying their best.
Anand: See that's how it works, nobody goes to an astrologer when you have just won a million dollars lottery, right? You would go only when you have problems in your life. And they know that, then they try to get that from you, and you are the one feeding everything to them. People don't realize it. And it is so subtle and the art of doing it is so subtle. It is somewhat like a mentalist taking things out from you.
You are feeding that person and then they give it back to you saying this is how it is. Like in your case, your marriage trials, tribulations, which marriage doesn't go through all that. It's general statements that makes you feel, oh, he's telling me something that is, really right about my life.
they're just fooling you. They're just cheating you. They're just taking your money. Simple as that. No questions about it.
Abhijit: So you've done several episodes on astrology Just in case you've been living under a rock, Anand has a channel called Pale Blue Thoughts on YouTube.
If you don't subscribe to it, you should The content he puts out is phenomenal. I have been an admirer of yours for quite a while and sorry. Anyway but the primary thing is the the ones, the episodes I really enjoy as astrology because I've been wanting to do an episode on astrology for a very long time.
I haven't managed to break it down. I've done western astrology. I've interviewed Susan Gerbic and she's given me a lot of insight on the Western style of astrology, but I really wanted to do one on the Indian one, especially on this Nadi thing, which I've, watched most of your episode.
I have a friend who is a hardcore believer in Nari Patra astrology. She is convinced it is the most accurate form of astrology that exists. They're supposed to have these palm leaves or something in these, the, that's supposed to have your future written in them. And I looked up some of the videos and they were exactly as you described they rattle off some gibberish ask a yes or no question.
And based on that, they either flip over a new leaf, or they set it aside and pick up a new book, For those who haven't watched your in-depth video, I would advise you all our viewers actually go and watch that video.
I'll link it in the description. So what exactly is going on? What's the concept behind it? What are those leaves supposed to hold?
Okay. See can I go through astrology first so that people get a background of it and then go into nari astrology? Absolutely.
Anand: Before I go into astrology I, started my video podcast onwith the story of the Sky Series because it is very important that a person who believes in astrology should know where it all started from, and then move on to how it became a fraudulent or a scam.
Then we moved to Nadi as, which is. A nice flow which is what I feel would be interesting for the viewers as well as anybody who wants to understand why this is a scam,
Abhijit: Yeah.
Anand: The sky is something we generally tend to ignore these days. think about our ancestors around, 4,000, 5,000 years ago, and I don't mean our ancestors, the entire human ancestors.
I don't specifically look at the Indian ancestor because as, although India rules astrology astrology did not originate from India. Astrology originated from Babylonia, Mesopotamia, those regions. Mainly Babylonia, Iraq, Iran those Persian places.
they developed this system of, classical astronomy. Astrology came much later.
Abhijit: Like a proto astronomy, before actual astronomy started happening.
Anand: Yes.
Abhijit: They were trying to see meaning the stars might hold for us.
Anand: No. They did not talk about the meaning of the stars They were concerned about what the sky told us. the sky, for us, is no longer important, but for them, it was a matter of life and death. had those people not looked at the sky and understood it We wouldn't be here. Our culture, our civilization wouldn't have existed The agricultural revolution has rootsin the sky because had they not understood it, no agricultural revolution, no human civilization.
if you actually look at the sky, even today the morning sky does not give us anything at all. The morning sky is pretty much just the sun and what we call the sky, 'cause we know that sky is an illusion, right? There's nothing called a sky there. Even if you go 10 meters, a hundred meters, one kilometer, you will not touch something.
It's the atmosphere that we are seeing through scattering. But the night sky provided them with quite a lot of information.
They saw these twinkling things in the sky. They wondered what it was, they didn't know what it was. They didn't know that there were stars or whatever it was.
But they noticed that these sky, this held a pattern. Every night you would see twinkling things and They created a certain pattern in the sky, which we now call constellations.
Abhijit: Yeah.
Anand: And they found out that all these constellations, they in one specific band in the sky, not everywhere, although they were stars everywhere they looked at certain patterns.
Which were in certain band about, I think it's about 18 degrees in the sky, and that they caught as Zodiac. And it's the same with Western, the same with Indian as well. So I understand that you want to keep more of Indian. I will come to the Indian bit, but Basically all this is the same, right?
The zodiac is the same. Now they notice that the patterns in the sky remain the same. But within these patterns, there were certain twinkling objects which kept going from one star pattern to the other. Space specific order, right?
These things like, if you're standing in a school assembly, it is like somebody going from standard eight A to standard six and standing there, right?
And then from there, going to standard four. So you notice that a child is moving from one place to another, right? Within the orderly pattern.
Abhijit: Yeah.
Anand: They called it re and then from the Greek word planetes came the word planets. So they actually thought that the earth was in the center and everything moved around the earth,
You would have the sun moving around the earth, you would have the moon moving around the earth. You have all these twinkling things called planet moving around the earth. So basically they thought that we are stationary and everything moved around us. Now this is where, the classical astronomy bit came from.
Now, we know today that no, they're not moving around us, we are moving around, except the moon, of course, which moves around us. Everything else, we are the ones who are doing the rotation,
Abhijit: we have a common center of rotation and we are all rotating around this sun.
Anand: And that is the same Let's talk about the solar system first. So we have these planets. Now, if you look at the Nava Grahas the Indian astronomy Taught us the Nava Grahas, Nava Grahas had sun. It did not have Earth, it had Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn.
Those are the seven ones, and then Rahu and Ketu, which they knew were not planets. They knew there were two specific locations in the sky, what we call as ascending node and ascending node. Today, it is basically those two points where the sun's ecliptic and the moons, ecliptic orbital parts crossover where we get our eclipses. Ah, so those were so that made the nine they considered. But today we know we have, we had nine under 2006. When we dismissed poor Pluto out of the list. we have Uranus and Neptune as well, which they didn't consider as planets because they couldn't see them to see Uranus and Neptune, you need telescopes,
It is very tough to see Uranus without a mirror.
You needed telescopes to see them, so that's why they didn't get included. In those days, what they saw was that these patterns repeated every six months or two months, or three months, depending on which star they were looking at. they saw some patterns in the sky. They saw three stars like a triangle.
And they saw it as a horse's head and called it uni, or the star uni. The constellation Uni. Indian astronomy to be, call it classical astronomy. they notice certain patterns and notice that when certain stars rose up they had rains coming through.
for instance, like you have sa in the north of India, we have curriculum in the south of India, which are basically star patterns in the sky. When they come in the night we get rains because they come during the MunchOn season. Ah. So for them it was very important that they know these things.
When stars would come up, when these planets will come up because. That is when agriculture was starting they were starting to, leave the hunter gatherer lifestyle and try to settle down in one place. And for that agriculture was very important. In fact, if you read you all know Hari, he coins, agricultural civilization as one of the starting points of human civilization
Absolutely. for them it was very important because let's say I sow a seed tomorrow and for the next three months it is summer, then those plans won't grow. Or it is in a continuous rain for the next two months. Then the seas will just get not blown away. They will get washed away, right?
Yeah. So for them, that knowledge was very critical. And that is where Astronomy helped. And what they did was they recognize these patterns, gave them names, put stories in them. So that you would remember them. It's just like how we do mnemonics today. Yeah. So for them, mnemonics was, they build stories around it.
I also made a video called The Real Scientific Story of Durga. this whole story of Durga is based around certain star groups
The story of Durga has significance in the Stars. They wanted to remember the story, so they gave it names and characters for them the sky was everything, as we progressed through civilizations we started to invent things like calendars and clocks
Maybe the first things were sundials and stuff like that, but we soon realized we didn't need to look at the sky that much, right? not all people in those days knew how to read the stars or the sky.
those people started to lose their significance and importance. they introduced greed and fear into this whole mix, like they do with anything, other things like religion and all that. It just makes these things to feed. The emotions of greed and fear. then they came up withastrologythe prospect that these things could ruin your life or could lead your life to get better.
So these things were introduced for those people who lost their jobs when calendars and clocks came to be
Abhijit: that spot
Anand: I have had enough debates with people who study astrology
they think that what they're studying is true. It's basically some cost fallacy. They think that they have invested so much. They think that there is something in it. I will tell you that there is nothing in it. the astrologists, claim that planets and stars have some influence on us, right?
Let us, agree that yes, they do have some influence. Now if they do have some influence, then they have some questions they need to answer the first question is, when a child is born, what has more influence on the child? The famous equation byNewton,
GM one two by R Square. the further away two masses are. Gravitational distance or the gravitational force, they massively reduce right to the power of square. Yeah. Now the earth has a bigger influence on a child or the hospital that the child was born in or mountain right next to the hospital perhaps has a more gravitational influence on the child than Jupiter or Mars
Abhijit: the entire planet
Anand: And planet Earth is not considered in astrology
Abhijit: That's the problem.
Anand: They don't consider it, which has much more influence on US as humans.
Abhijit: Yeah.
Anand: They don't consider it because they didn't know.
Abhijit: There was an interesting concept that a friend of mine thought up as an excuse to justify the possibility.
Of astrology being accurate. what if the earth has different gravitational levels in different parts and they keep changing. when a person is born in a certain place, there is a certain gravitational effect in that place at that time, which then changes later on and changes for somebody else.
And therefore that determines the person's astrological sign because then you correlate it with the exact time and date through the astronomical charts and the constellations. And I was like, that is not only is a, not only is it an intriguing idea, but it's measurable.
we understand that the earth has different levels of gravity in different parts depending on the density of the earth in that area. But they don't keep changing all over the place. They don't change second by second. They change maybe over millions of years, if at all.
Anand: Yeah. So the poles have higher gravity near the poles. we have different gravity at different parts of the globe. But this is not what the astrologers actually consider, if they consider that the influence is due to gravity, they're going to fall into a bigger pit, which I'll come to later.
they better not talk about gravity when they talk about the influence that these planets have on us. Nobody has found out what influence they have, primarily because there isn't any. There is no influence of these glittering planets and stars.
Right?
Abhijit: Yeah.
Anand: if they're talking about gravitational influence, Earth has to have a part in the soil. the further, something goes from us, the gravitational pull should come down. For instance, Mars moves from 15 million, to 400 million kilometers when it comes closer to earth, So when it comes close to around 50 million kilometers away from it. And when it goes away, it goes around 400 million.
Now, the influence of gravity when it is at 400 and when it is 50, are completely different. But that is not what is considered They don't take this into account because they didn't know at the time of making all these things, they didn't know that Mars had this perian thing, right?
they didn't know that planets have different orbits and they go at different lengths away from Earth. They all thought that they were standing still in the sky, moving in the same pattern, So they don't consider gravity, If they tell you that gravity is what is causing the influence, why does Mars have the same influence when it has 400 million mile kilometers away?
And when it is at 50 million miles? They should explain that.
Abhijit: But then they would say that, it all depends which Constellation laws is in at the time. that determines how far away it is.
Anand: No, it is still far away at 15. If at 15 million kilometers it has an influence X, then at 400 million it should be X minus 400.
Abhijit: it's GM two by R squared it's called the inverse square law,
Anand: Yeah, that's the one. So it should have a lesser influence at 400 million kilometers away. the whole point of this horoscope thing
Is about horoscope. horoscope is one of the most brilliant inventions that man has ever made. the square ones that South Indians use. I think North Indians use a mixture of circle and square,
Europeans use a circular.
Abhijit: Yeah.
Anand: Basically that tells you the time. It's a timestamp of where the plans were when something happened. Let's suppose a child is born they look at the sky and can tell which chart is in which constellation or is near which constellation.
So they market that is all that charters that horoscope charts.
Abhijit: Yeah.
Anand: Now the funny thing about this charters, it can tell you almost everything. If you ask an astrologer, the astrologer will tell you when your manager will take place. What kind of a job will you have? What kind of wife will you have?
How is your mother-in-law going to behave to you? what is your wife's behavior, habit, everything. But they cannot tell you whether the horoscope belongs to a male or a female if it is not written in the horoscope.
Abhijit: I had no idea about this
Anand: the horoscope is just a timestamp of where the planets and stars were at a particular instant of time.
Abhijit: Yeah.
Anand: Unless you write below it, it belongs to a male or a female. if you have a horoscope, you should look at it. It'll tell you it'll be written male child. if that is not there, they'll not be able to find out. Now, if you find an old horse, let's say a 60, 70 or horse book, you take it to an as soldier and ask them, is this person alive, or dead?
They cannot tell because they, it is just this timestamp of that particular time period. Right Now, 60 years have passed. What has happened to that person? They cannot tell from the horoscope horoscopes can be made for different reasons. It can be made for when the child was born whena temple was built or when a dog was born.
You can write a horoscope of your dog when a dog is born. Just look up, find where the stars are, where the planets are. Write it down. You have a horoscope of your dog. if you take two such horoscopes to an astrologer without telling that it belongs to two dogs.
They'll match it.
Abhijit: I've gotta give this a shot. this sounds so much fun. I have three cats.
Anand: Yeah,
Abhijit: I have two. And two of them are sisters.
I've always heard that these horoscopes are incredibly scientific when in fact there is absolutely no science in it at all. But where do the people say that there is a science? How do these people figure out? What is the methodology of the astrologer looking at your horoscope and then figuring out what to tell you about the questions that you're asking?
Anand: So remember I told you that it is one of the brilliant inventions of human guide, if something is that brilliant, then obviously it has to be scientific in some aspects, right? it is scientific to an extent, these people use these horoscopes in a brilliant manner. Let's take this time period at right now, what nine o'clock child is born, the stars are aligned in a certain manner. The planets are aligned in a certain manner, so there will be certain planets next to certain constellations, they divided this zodiac into 12 parts.
So six above, six below. Consider that they still consider the earth as flat. six below is a flat earth below, not the globe. starting from the east side to the west, they have divided into six parts, the 360 degrees is divided into 12 parts.
they have 12 constellations at each 30 degree locations. So that's 360. Okay. Now, at this point, they note that. Okay. Son is in Sagittarius or eighties or whatever. Now, after a certain time has passed, let's say a prince is born
Abhijit: Yeah.
Anand: Now, after so many years, they want to find out the age of this child, let's say after 30 years when the child is about to become the next king. What I was telling you was that there is a child bond to working and a queen. So then mark the positions of the planets and the stars with respect to the constellation. Now, certain time period has passed. what the classical astronomers understood is that the planets, which are the ones moving, the stars remain there throughout.
What you're seeing in the sky is what your great grandfather saw the same stars in the same positions. these planets keep moving around these constellations in certain orbits, which follow certain time periods. For instance, mercury completes one orbit, which goes an orbit is it goes from one star to the next.
It comes back to the same star within one year. Same with sun, same with Venus, because they're two close to the sun, right? MAs takes about 1.5 years, right? Then Jupiter takes about 12 years to make one complete rotation of the Zodiac. Saturn takes 29.5 years, suppose you have this particular time period locked in a horoscope, say after 30 years.
You look at where Saturn was today and you look at where Saturn was 30 years later. When you're actually looking at the horoscope, you see how many positions Saturn has changed. If Saturn has made a full rotation, then that means that 29.5 years have passed.
Now it has come back to Sagittarius, which means it has completed one full rotation, which means 29.5 years have passed. Now if you divide 29.5 by 1212 constellations, you can find out that if Saturn has moved two constellations, you would know that five years have passed. If it's, 2.5, you know that five years have passed.
So this was how they calculated time when there were no calendars and clocks. that is why I call it the most brilliant invention of Mankin, because otherwise they have no way to know the passage of time. So all this bit is scientific.
Abhijit: there are a lot of ancient civilizations and the structures that they built.
A lot of them were focused on the calculations of not just horoscopes, but of stars their positions eclipses, the time of year harvest times, et cetera, humans spent an inordinate amount of time and effort in constructing these things to calculate the time of the year once you've assigned certain meanings to a certain time of year to a planet moving into a different constellation, you start adding more layers to that becoming more specific to a person or more generic
So it becomes more generic for the individual, but sounds more specific
Anand: That is where astrology becomes
Abhijit: is itthe case that people kept assigning more layers of meaning to each incident?
That was foretold by the position of the stars?
Anand: Yeah. I'll start with that it is not humans were brilliant those days. These people discovered that stars moved in certain patterns, planets moved within these star patterns in certain time periods.
Brilliant. I'm sure It is collectively a generation because if you had to wait 29.5 years for Saturn to make a complete tradition, it couldn't be one single person. It had to be multiple generations of people who actually worked on this.
So it's brilliant. It is when it is there where sign stops, when you can calculate time based on the staff, Astronomy or classical astronomy ends. The rest of the stuff actually called us astrology, which is attributing stuff to these tasks. Apart from knowing time.
That is the scam. That is the pseudoscience. That is completely bs. Yeah. So how they have manipulated these stars and planets, how they have made people believe that these things have gotten influence in their lives is the scientific part. Yeah as I was talking about these people who actually believe in astrology or the astrologers need to answer these questions at what influence, how does the influence happen when it is farther from us and closer to us? That is question number one. The second is they only have 12 zodiac signs, right?
Oh, 13th one. But that is not calculated in astrology. Ophiucus is not considered that
Abhijit: a,
Anand: In fact, if you look at the astronomical union today, we have 88 constellations. Not 12. even if you consider 12 constellations or 12 zodiac signs, as they call it,
We have 8 billion people today. Yeah. Now you are 8 billion divided by 12. Let's say for instance let's say there are 10 Zodiac sites. Yeah. 8 billion divided by 10. You have what? 80 grow people all having the same birth chart.
Exactly, they follow the same constellation.
Abhijit: So according to Western astrology, if you are in Aries, you must be identical to the next Aries. And there's always some excuse. No it's not about that. It's about a temperament, it's about this, it's about that.
Anand: and try to,
Abhijit: but the Indian one is trickier because then they're saying nobody depends on which planet was in which constellation at that time for this person to have been born.
So it's not just one astrological sign that tells them, but there's a lot more to be calculated accordingly.
Anand: So let's break that apart Let's suppose Everything depends on that particular time period when a child is born, the stars determine the child's destiny and all that. Yeah. Let's say for instance, a child is born in a posh hospital in Mumbai. down below there is the slums where another child is born Both are born at the same time.
do you think that the child born to affiliated parents in a five star hospital in Mumbai and a slum, dweller child will have the same destiny?
Abhijit: Absolutely not. But their
Anand: temperaments might be the same. If they say that is the case, then take the case of people who are born in the same zodiac science.
Like I'm a liberal, I was born in the sign liberal. So there is myself, there is Kim Kardashian, there is Kamala Harris.do we have anything similar in nature? Kim Kardashian and myself.
Abhijit: Do you have a big booty?
Anand: Temperament is not what determines our destiny.
that is the case then they should have the same destiny. Yes, there are some talk millionaires, but no.
Abhijit: Yeah, there's a very interesting thing that I saw on, I think it was the line, the calling show, which as atheists and
Anand: the line Yeah.
Abhijit: Matt Dillahunty once got a call
about astrology and he said that there is
Anand:
Abhijit: Thank you. You've seen that one, right? Twins. Exactly. Twins. What do you do when twins are born and they turn out to be completely different people? I have a couple of twins in my house.
my cook has an identical twin brother and they were born maybe a minute or two apart my cook is passionate about cooking. He enjoys his work, and taken up by it. He's had a passing interest in photography, but not significantly, his brother is working as a photographer videographer and editor completely, absorbed in that work as far as their personalities and temperaments are concerned, I.
Anand: I'm not sure. I don't know them that well yet, but they seem to be pretty distinctly different people with very different paths. If there's nothing else that I can determine, they're on very different paths, even if they live in the same house with me. So if you talk about this, if you tell an as soldier about twins, then they'll suddenly switch and say they're still not born at the same time they were born, 10 minutes apart.
they try to bring precision to the time factor. Exactly. Then tell them one more word. Siam is twins. Yeah. How about that? There is a very famous Sam, twin girls. I think they're born in Iran or somewhere. I forgot their names. I mentioned it in my video, I think. they lived quite a long time and wanted to get separated because they had completely different personalities. But when they were separated, doctors told them they might not live for a long time One lady I think died very soon after the surgery. The other person died one and a half years later. So they didn't even die at the same time.
Abhijit: yeah.
Anand: All were born at the same time.
Abhijit: Yeah.
Anand: the stars had something to do with it They should have had the same destiny.
'cause they were born at the same time. Not even minutes apart.
Abhijit: Exactly. And it comes down to the same thing, whether it's every 12th person being the same as you, or if every second of every day has a slightly different thing in a world of 8 billion people, there are people being born at the exact same time and almost exact same place all the time, across the world.
it's mind boggling how people can figure that out. How does it connect back to the astrology of the Nari Patra?
Anand: So basically what these Nadi soldiers do, and this is practiced mainly in a temple called the Temple
Abhijit: right?
Anand: So if you go to that temple just outside there are small shops. inside sits these Nadi Isha, as they're called. Everybody claims they are the most original ones, the myth is thatShiva wrote down everything that's going to happen to everybody in this world, right?
And Augusta Sageor, the story goes, something like that, I mentioned it in the, video I've done on Nari astrology. The only thing is that I don't have space in my brain to recollect all this So I tend to forget these things.
that is where Nari George comes in, that every person's life is written in these palm leaves. Now again, 8 billion people. All these palm leaves. Should there be, if you consider that at least 5 billion people might have lived and passed on from this world so far?
Abhijit: 99.9% of all things that have ever lived have already died.
Anand: Don't bring evolution to this.
Abhijit: we're gonna be here for a long time.
Anand: don't get me talking on evolution
Abhijit: Focus.
Anand: Yeah. these people who hold these 8 billion families or more than that, if you consider the people who have lived there and died, how much space do you think they would need
If you have one one on top of the other, it could probably raise the moon.
Abhijit: you're
Anand: talking about 8 billion peoples. Palm leaves kept there in one small hut. Exactly.
Abhijit: And apparently every small hut has every person's,
Anand: Every hut has got every person's.
So just imagine when this was counter and lot people have encountered thisin one person who visited one of these nadi Isha, pretended to be a believer whatever they told him was absolute rubbish Against what he actually was. he debunked it by going there.
But you don't need all these things. In fact, there is a sun news documentary, which has been taken off from YouTube. itcame out with this expose that these, palm leaves are made in local villages down there, and they are riled upon, they the language in which is written is called, which is no longer practiced in some people may know it, it's an ancient Some people may know it. But if you get your own palm leaf, you can't read it because you don't understand the language. Only these people are supposed to have the knowledge of these languages, right? So it makes it more convenient for them to do all this.
They look at you, they ask you questions, And then they keep fishing for it, right? this is cold reading. they keep asking and then they finally tell your father's name. What is so special about it?
You have a father. He has a name. you forget that you did not come to that astrologer to know your father's name, but when he tell you the father's name right then it is called, it is like stunning before laughter. You are shocked. You are the one who fed all the information to him, but when he comes out with a name, which any mentalist would be able to do without all these tricks, right?
Absolutely. You are shocked. that shock is what captures him. That is the moment you are gripped. You forget that you didn't come for knowing your father's name or your mother's name. You came for something else. You had a hundred million problems in your life. You came for a resolution to all that.
once you get stunned. this laughter happens. whatever he tells you you're going to believe it and then you make it. Who makes astrology? Not the astrologer. It is the person to whom the astrology prediction is made who makes it right. They will tell you something vague like how you said an accident will happenwhen you're 30.
Define accident. Me slipping down on the bathroom floor, I could say it's an accident, or I could have an accident on the road.
Abhijit: Yeah.
Anand: So you have to define accident. Astro is going to tell that, okay, on June 31st, you will travel in a bus and on the seat you will find a bag or satchel with one lac of piece in it.
No, Astro will tell you that. They will tell you. Next year, around June, August, you may get rich, you'll come into prosperity. This is how they say, they will not even tell you money. They'll say a lot of prosperity will happen. Now even if you find a hundred European note on the floor that is prosperity for you because you have that thing in your mind that, oh, when I saw that told me that this year at this particular point of time, I will get prosperous.
Look, I found a hundred lpe note. I prosperous. How you make it, you make the astrologer right. The astrologer has only got to tell whatever comes in his mind and that's it. Finish you, you always count the hits
Abhijit: A person who is given such extremely vague information ends up having the most incredible reading in their memory. They remember all the hits. They forget all the misses. But not only are those hits remembered, they are embellished with so much detail that you've added onto it by yourself.
it's incredible the amount of detail that one adds onto it. the further back the reading was, the more embellished it becomes
Anand: for instance, I'm sure everybody here in this podcast and yourself, myself have had this experience.
You get a call, you want to write down a number, you pick up a pen. That pen won't work.
Yeah. Or you are waiting in the bus to go to a college. You are in a hurry, right? You're late for work or college Every bus in the opposite direction will keep going. Yours will never come. Exactly this is exactly where Murphy's Law, this is counting the hits and losing the misses.
Because every time you have had a phone call and a pen working properly, your concentration was on the phone number. You wrote the phone number. You forget about the pen working. The moment that pen doesn't work, it registers in your mind.
Abhijit: I've come up with a couple more.
One is that you will always get a phone call as soon as you go into your path.
Anand: Of course, but the number of times you've had a bath without having a phone call Exactly.
Abhijit: Also,
Anand: yeah.
Abhijit: Another thing I've noticed is that I always get the most amazing numbers when I get an OTP like 4 4 0 0 1 1
And I'm like, oh, that's a nice one. how do I always get these? But now I remind myself that when I get a completely random number that I can't remember, I never note that down I just got a completely, random number that I'll never be able to remember, but I always remember the pattern patronistic ones.
Yeah.
Anand: Yeah. We are pattern seeking animals, okay. We'll, we will recognize patterns when we see. So this is basically it. You are basically making those predictions, right? if for instance, they talk about the birth time and all that, right? What is the birth time?
Is it the time that you come out of the mother's womb? You didn't pop into your mother's womb just five minutes prior to that, right? You were there for close to nine months.
Abhijit: Yeah,
Anand: You did not pop into existence just like that. So what are these soldiers saying that, when you come out of the mother's womb, that is when these planets have an influence on you.
What about when you were inside the womb? You were just covered with a bit of flesh and bones, right? Did they not have an influence? Planets like Jupiter, Saturn big planets. Did they not have an influence when you were shielded by a few bones and a few flesh?
Abhijit: If
Anand: if the astrologer tells you that you will die at 30, right?
If you shield yourself with a little bit of bones and flesh, would you be away from the plant's influence? Can you escape it?
Abhijit: That sounds like a great plot to a serial killer movie
Anand: when we get them started.
Abhijit: Yeah, and a wonder how the kind of loopholes that one has to jump through to make sense of this.
of course you have cold readings and hard readings which are when a person has actually looked you up and then starts giving you very specific information about yourself with social media, I believe that is super easy.
Anand: Yeah, today's social media and ai, right?
There are AI tools which you can go and look up everything about you. Knowing something about you is so easy today. But forget
all that. They just base it on simple heart reading techniques, cold reading techniques. They know how to fish information from me. That's it. simple as that.
Abhijit: And I had a very interesting incident,
when I was going to get marriedmy fiance calls me up and says, listen, my dad is going to look up your birth date, and he's asking me for your bio data.
you've written out your bio data, but the time you've given for your birth is not right. It's not working on the website. if I put in your date of birth and time and I put in mine, it's leading to some conflict. give me another time. I'm like, what do you mean? Give me another time?
she's okay, she put 15 minutes later and then she was like, no, that doesn't work either. she puts 30 minutes later and then she's oh, that's still a little weird. Then it was 45 minutes later. And she's okay, this works.
she quickly edited the bio data, sent it to her dad, and said, this is his date of birth and everything. worked. one could argue that it was written in the stars we were not meant to be because we altered that time and made her parents believe it would've been a fortuitous wedding, but
It was not. And you divorced
Anand: You could read it like that. But What if everything went smooth? There's a chance. It's a 50 50 chance. Yeah. 50 50 chance goes through or doesn't. It's called hindsight bias.
Abhijit: Led to this, and that is exactly it. hindsight bias plays into this so well that everybody looks back and says, oh, but they were right. That's why I cited this example, because if I was not more of a critical thinker, I would've thought that, oh my God, this was why.
In fact, I'm quite sure that if her dad finds out and my ex-wife's dad, if you're watching this, which I doubt you are, he is so going to be pissed
Anand: oh, I saw this coming. you should probably tell the name of the astrologer so they can look it up
Abhijit: No, but what was on the website lines up exactly with what the astrologer said. they probably refer to the same website.
Anand: But what is a website? we have given them the data, right?
We have given them the planets positions and all that. It just computes it. That's it.
Abhijit: Exactly. So they've standardized the practice and one can give them that. at least they've standardized the process so that you don't have to pay a Joi to do this, you can just go to the website and figure it out for yourself.
Anand: If you want to get easily scammed, this is the better way. it is a scam.
Abhijit: I would say get scammed for free if you want to get scammed instead of going to someone and paying them to scam you.
Anand: But that is not how people who believe in this work. They would want everything told by himself you have, and all that during the rounds these days and all those stuff. if somebody were to ask me, which are the three most scientific of all sciences, I would categorize astrology, homeopathy, and manifestation. At number one.
Abhijit: Oh man. Next two episodes of Rationable conversations with you are sorted now.
Anand: We could probably start a daily show at this point.
Abhijit: Seriously, we could keep going at this rate, but unfortunately we have run out of time. I did say I won't keep you beyond an hour it's really passed quickly.
it seems like we started five minutes ago.
Anand: No it's fine. I definitely enjoyed it. It's an honor to come to your podcast This is my first timeon a live podcast In fact, we did it once a couple of years back.
Really looking forward. You just told me I'll be there,
Abhijit: this is so much fun, we will definitely do a part two very soon because I want to talk about manifestation. Thank you so much for joining us It has been an absolutely fantastic show and We'll be back together soon, I'm sure. thank you all for joining us for Rationable Conversations.
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